Rich Posted September 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 What about the corrosion on the inside on the disc? I couldn't remove it all but then as it's only holding the car I guess it doesn't matter too much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 I doubt the rust is on the working surface so it's just cosmetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Good point, I didn't think about whether the shoes cover the whole surface area or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 No they don't that's why the rust build up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 On the way to Norfolk last night we stopped halfway after 70 miles and I checked the wheel, which was cold. There wasn't much heat coming from the brakes, about normal I'd say. Checked it when we got here after another 80 miles and it was the same. Fingers crossed it stays that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Good news at last, seems you corrected whatever was wrong without knowing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Spoke too soon! The drive to and around Norfolk was fine, did just under 350 miles in total and the brake didn't get hot on the longer runs until we came home on Saturday night. I forgot to check when we stopped halfway but when we got home it felt abit warm and had that smell again. All I can think of is when we stopped after 80 miles and put the handbrake on it didn't release properly on that side when we carried on? It was fine when I got to work this morning but it's usually when I go home that it feels hotter so will check later. I think the best thing for me to do is take all the springs and clips off to clean them properly but I'll check the cable is working properly first. What can I use to clean everything, will hot soapy water be ok, then spray with brake cleaner and dry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 I really think the cable is an issue here Rich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Does that mean replacing or can they be cleaned - is there a specific way to test them? The same problem on the Corolla seemed to be the springs and adjusters though cos after a clean and refit (when Iain had it) it was fine and it still is now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMARTLY Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 I guess the cables are meant to be greased as part of the service but get overlooked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Aren't usually sleeved in rubber/plastic though or do you mean greasing the ends? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S2IM Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Nope... it needed adjusting. Took the garage all of 15 mins to sort Our Civic was doing what your accord is. Joe sorted it in 15 mins as it was something to do with the wear indicator mechanism holding the inside pad on. Caliper was fine (thought it was a binding caliper) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Nope... it needed adjusting. Took the garage all of 15 mins to sort Our Civic was doing what your accord is. Joe sorted it in 15 mins as it was something to do with the wear indicator mechanism holding the inside pad on. Caliper was fine (thought it was a binding caliper) I thought you said they took it all apart to clean cos the first time they overtightened it and you had to go back when the wheels were smoking?! The Civic uses the handbrake off the caliper but the Accord doesn't, it's inside the disc like the Corolla. The caliper and pads don't smell but the inside of the disc does so it's something to do with this. I'll have one last go and then I'll go see Joe! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMARTLY Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 If the cable doesn't go inside an outer does it go through a guide to go round corners? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 These are the cables and it looks like there are a couple of big bends compared to the other side so I'll check the route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S2IM Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 That was the first garage I took the Corolla to. They had the car 5 times (3 times in one day when the brakes kept on setting on fire!), cleaned it, adjusted etc but it was never right until I got it serviced and the other garage (who knew more about the car being ex Toyota mechanic) sorted it FOC. Smallest adjustment was all it needed where as the other adjustments were too tight or too loose. Good to hear its still fine especially after all the faff you had with it and then I had back and forth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Ah, I thought they sorted it, eventually. I'm hoping that is all it'll be, just needs adjusting another notch or 2 but they are the biggest PITA ever, it literally has to be spot on. Have you seen the car recently, the front splitter is well scuffed now!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liner33 Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 Cable issues are often due to corrosion of the wire inside the sleeve . A squirt of WD40 can give temporary relief but replacement is the only proper fix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 How can you test if it's sticking or not, just get someone to apply the handbrake while you watch for the shoes moving? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liner33 Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 if you have it on a ramp you should be able to see the exposed cable moving when someone operates the handbrake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 I had another look yesterday and I'm noticing that when I adjust the shoes so they don't drag, after applying the handbrake they drag again, they seem to catch in one place. I have backed them off abit more but I am suspecting it might be the cable now not releasing them properly. Surely if I've adjusted them so they don't drag they should stay that way after using the handbrake? With the slider pins, after removing the caliper should there be any residence when I try to move them? Once I've moved them once they are fine and slide in/out smoothly. I also cleaned under the piston dust cover as there was alot of dirt on it but no rust. I'll keep an eye on it and see how things go but the handbrake does seem to have more travel in it now, holding the car on a hill at 9-10 clicks! I'm going to order some new front brakes, which I'll fit but then I think I'll get Joe to take a look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 Not being funny but i assume you de-adjusting the cable before adjusting the shoes? These are different acts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 I haven't touched the handbrake adjuster, just the one for the shoes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 What about the slider pins does that sound normal, it's almost like something is sucking them in? But if I pull them out then it'll be fine afterwards. I only used a smear of grease on the pins as I know too much can cause that. I cleaned the holes out as well and there's no corrosion on them, plus the boots aren't split. It does this on both sides as well so maybe it's normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted September 28, 2014 Report Share Posted September 28, 2014 You need to back-off the handbrake adjuster then adjust the shoes and then adjust the handbrake travel.... Four to five clicks is good. Also look at the cable for any "blown" areas ( normally on a bend ) in the cables attachment points, this is a sure sign of rust in the cable or casing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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