NickT Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 Does it have a cambelt or chain ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 It has a chain and I had another email from them saying that they do wear with high mileage on my engine. Plus the oil pump tensioner could be failing. So Adam might have been right but I had only read about this happening on the diesels not the petrol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted December 3, 2016 Report Share Posted December 3, 2016 Must confess it's a new one on me with petrol engines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHAHZ Posted December 3, 2016 Report Share Posted December 3, 2016 Here's hoping it can be sorted and it's not too costly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted December 3, 2016 Report Share Posted December 3, 2016 I don't think it's a DIY job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2016 No I won't be attempting to repair it myself, I have no experience of engines. If it is the chain/tensioner I can't see it being under £500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted December 3, 2016 Report Share Posted December 3, 2016 Any chance of a second hand one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2016 Second hand chain and tensioner is a bit risky considering the work needed to change it. Parts should be under £200 from what I've seen, I'm guessing it will be a good few hours labour though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam_r Posted December 3, 2016 Report Share Posted December 3, 2016 Rich. A new chain and tensioner plus labour was over £1500. I had it done FOC when I had my accord as it was on a VSB. Chains do wear.. But I know an accord that is over 300k on the factory fit chain.. But it is a taxi so sees a shed load of mileage. Oil pump chain I would worry about too. When I spoke to the Honda tech doing the work, they had another diesel engine In bits on the floor. Owner had put too thick an oil in and the oil pump (which is a work of art) had broken the pump chain and therefore starved the engine of oil. The oil pump is two balanced counter rotating shafts that spin towards each other. In each shaft there is a 90 degree cut out and these scoop and then fling the oil up. Very clever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2016 Well the chain, tensioner and oil chain are under £300 from Honda at rrp prices. How much labour did Honda charge for yours then! I've not looked but is there more work to do on the diesel engine compared to the petrol? I'll have to see what's said next week but if it goes into 4 figures the car is going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted December 4, 2016 Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 Shame but understandable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam_r Posted December 4, 2016 Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 Well the chain, tensioner and oil chain are under £300 from Honda at rrp prices. How much labour did Honda charge for yours then! I've not looked but is there more work to do on the diesel engine compared to the petrol? I'll have to see what's said next week but if it goes into 4 figures the car is going. They told me at the time they dropped the engine out.. They were also changing the clutch and having the exhaust manifold changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 So that £1,200 included the clutch and manifold too? I'm dropping the car off tomorrow after work and they're looking on Wednesday so I'll find out then. Hopefully they can sort it, I really CBA with looking for another car ATM. Plus there's all the money I've spent on this including new summer tyres and my winter ones still have 3-4mm left too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 Had a call from the garage earlier and they've said the noise is the water pump and the engine is fine. What I don't understand is why the noise was the same with the belt removed? They've quoted £250 to replace it and I think that's using genuine parts. They still need to find the starting issue but I think it's the starter motor, they're going to check it tomorrow. I had a job starting it last night when I took it over. It didn't crank, then something freed and I got a jolt, then it started. I only spoke to the receptionist though so going to pop in tomorrow and check about the water pump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 odd the noise is still there after removing the belt?.... If they change the pump ask for the old one back since it's not an exchange unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 I had another listen to the video with the belt on and off. With it on every now and again there is a metallic maybe grinding kind of noise that I can hear over the engine. Without the belt this disappears, so that could be the water pump. The engine is definitely noisier than it used to be so I'll try a thicker oil too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 Well that's fine assuming they do cure the problem.... Last thing you need is them blanket bombing all auxiliaries and trust me in the chassis side of things i've seen dealers do that many times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 I've not taken it to a dealer but a Jap specialist and they're highly recommended. I popped down there earlier and he's assured me the engine is fine. He can hear some slight chain chatter but nothing to be concerned about. The noise with the belt on is the water pump bearing, checked with a stethoscope as well and that confirmed it. Starter motor has also gone, they tried starting it and turning off a few times and on the 3rd attempt it got stuck and started clicking. Looking at £650-£700 to sort it all out but nearly £500 is on parts as they'll be genuine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 Reads like you can trust them... Shame it's a lot of money and all at once Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 They're on the happy valley estate near you, never short of work down there. Yeah it's a sod and I could do it myself but can't be bothered this time. The starter is under the manifold and a fiddly job so they can have it to do. They checked all the grounds and rest of the charging system and that's all fine. Price above includes £36 for diagnosing all of this too, which is very reasonable. He said he can see it's been well looked after and I'd struggle to find another one like it now. If it lasts another 5 years after this then I'll be happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMARTLY Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 What about a repair or replacement starter? They don't normally go completely and exchanges are available to save on labour charges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 I had found a no name cheap one for £150. A branded one like Lucas is about £200 but as I want to keep the car for another 5 years they said go with a Honda one. The cheap ones won't last as long and for another £100 now it'll save money and time in the long run. I said I was still concerned about the noise and how it sounds loud after a run and it's warmed up. He said he had it running for an hour in the garage while testing various parts but I'm wondering if it sitting there getting warm could make it sound quieter than after it's been driven? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Car is done but I asked them to find a knocking noise that I've been ignoring thinking it's an ARB bush. I just get a knocking over bumps but they said it's the ball joint and is quite bad now. Told them to sort it out while they've got the car, another £160. It's in the knuckle so more of a pain to change. Credit card is getting a right caning this month! Fingers crossed nothing else needs doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted December 15, 2016 Report Share Posted December 15, 2016 You are so unlucky with cars.... I'm glad your not a pilot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2016 I think half the problem is I tend to buy older cars so parts are at the end of their life and it's just unfortunate that so many things have gone at the same time. I've just picked the car up, I have really missed it and enjoyed the drive home It was the ball joint on the upper wishbone that had gone, it was nearly ready to pop out! Both arms were done in 2011 before I bought the car and they've only done 30k miles so they must've been cheap parts. There is still a slight knocking though and they've spent hours trying to find it with no success, so he thinks it's the internals of the shock absorber. Looks like I'll be replacing those in the new year but it should be an easy job compared to the pinch bolts on the Mondeo!! He said there's no concerns with the engine and it should last forever, they're bulletproof, so I hope he's right. Cost me £820 to get everything done on top of the £150 I spent on the other parts a few weeks a go. Expensive month! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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