Tony Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 Issue we have here is it's a "throw away world" and a "blanket bombing" a solution? As i read it the current mechanics solution it's to identify the area? for the problem and then bombard that area with new components thinking this will dissolve the problem....... Well maybe it will but all these unnecessary parts fitted costs the customer and that's my point, not just for the UK but globally. It appears the skill to analogize issues remains at fast-fit levels and real world diagnostics is non existent and from my pedestal i think this is very wrong! Trust me i'm not going to be able to heal the world but i will try my damnedest to educate it! What people do with the information is up to them but i think at some point customers expectations and indeed education will force the hand of the under performing fast-fit catchment that thinks it's unregulated freedom has a knickers down attitude without responsibility! In addition i feel the dealerships think the "just burnt" customer by fast fit will ensure comfort for all involved!...... What a load of bollocks, most tech's in the dealerships come from fast-fit. Agreed they would need to climb a ladder of qualifications but this is paper not service! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojcistv Posted September 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 Well we are living in fast lane world so fast fit is just an logical of product nowadays thinking it will solve everything. Big money is in the game so the common customer become just an volley they need to pay all those managers theory and to check whether it works in practice. One very nice example of it: On mondeo tdci with 2.0 130 HP engine it is well known trouble with the electronic actuator for variable nozzle turbocharger who is being stick by creating carbon deposits on the exhaust side. When it is happen garage following Ford's SOP's solve issue by mounting completely new turbocharger and costs of that operation is more than 1100 Euros!? Other solution? Yes there is. You can loose the cat and put some MrMuscle oven cleaner inside VNT geometry unit and after 20 minutes of letting that foam inside to done the work put the cat back and turn on the engine so dissolved carbon deposits get out. Problem solved! Material and labor costs 20 Euros max. So for 55 times less expense you can solve that very serious issue. Fortunately, here is the internet with countless forums and sites where you can find other people experiences and solutions as well as this forum is where you can not just to learn much from other people experience and examples but also from really altruistic founder of this place . From my side, thank you very much sir! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 Blimey, your welcome. Thing i find about fast-fit in the UK is it's belligerent attitude is so well scripted it fails to operate if there's a need to look outside of the box? Not all complaints offered by customers come with and easy buck and as i see things there's an inability to explore the complaint without then having a financial guarantee. At wim/ Blackboots we hold a wealth of knowledge within the staff and their attitude to find the reason the customer is in the center in the first place. They all know we have one chance to offer a solution or we will crash and burn Online. Well ok that's pressure but it keeps us vigilant and on the hunt and if i'm honest i enjoy that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojcistv Posted September 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 Well said Tony. Your approach is kinda so rare in today world it can be compared with the completely miracle. By the way those silly today's SOP's eliminate any staff initiative and need they think on their own and by their own since if there something were not described in the SOP's it is like not exist or not matching which sounds as an dogma (take it or leave it, no questioning at all...). It kills humans brain building and working out the way Google does since we all we need to know is to go in the browser and type "how to...." . We moved from original topic I've started here but any way I am happy we can share experiences and from my point of view it satisfies my need to explore and to learn. Thanks again Tony. P.S. I am not native speaker and don't mind about grammar and other languages issues and failures since I have feeling you can understand what I am want to say. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 Your english is better than some people (on other forums I might stress) who were born and bred in this country, and are supposed to be writing in their native language. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojcistv Posted September 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 It is very kind and I am very happy to hear it. I learn the language in the elementary school and that was long long time ago . Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 I think you have been doing just fine, i wish i had the ability to read/ write in another language....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojcistv Posted September 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 Come back with Hunter GSP 9700 experience. I was today in town where they have that machine and did the balance as well as wheel alignment. Really amazing machine. They did the dynamic balance for my Uniroyal Rain Expert tires and found they are aren't in so bad shape. Wheels were inside run out limitations and they just put the weights on the rims like in any other common balancing. Everything is fine since the vibrations and steering wheel wobble are still there!!!! I mean car is running much smoother and steering is much better but primary vibrations are still there between 110 and 140 km/h!!! I am wondering how road surface influence on this steering wheel judder and wobble since I noticed on some sorts of road it isn't so noticeable but on some they are more than annoying? I am really sick of guessing and trying to find an answer among all those mechanics claims that everything is just fine with my car. One more question, could lower gear mount be culprit for those vibs? I know for sure the one isn't in so good shape and there is play inside on that but for me I can't see connection between that and steering wheel wobble and judder since in my case everything seems possible. Thanks for patience with patient.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted September 15, 2013 Report Share Posted September 15, 2013 Shame it's still there!!..... I can't see a connection with the worn mount because the vibration is a frequency. Did the place you went offer a "next step" in case the vibration was still there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojcistv Posted September 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2013 Yes Tony it is really shame! The trouble is that place is in another town which is 150 km from my home so I can't go there so often. It was really my last hope with this. Vibration is so pretty much visible now. Starts at 120 km/h till 140 km/h and all car is under heavy vibration up and down. I did the experiment this morning where I put the jack under the lower arm ball joint on right than on the left side, got the wheel off, tight back 5 screws on the hub, ESP off and start engine. On the left side (driver side since it is LHV model ) on the 100 km/h aprox. I felt slightly vibrations through the steering wheel thought I must say it wasn't so odd or visible but I could sense it more than it was while I got right wheel in spin where I didn't notice almost any vibrations on the steering wheel. I can't find any play in the tie rods or inner tie rods or any where in the suspension. Maybe I have play in the inner CV joint on the left side but I can't notice it. Any way I phoned my friend who drives Mondeo estate and we will put his wheels on my car in order to see how it will look alike. I will update all infos. Before that I will try to find some dial run out gauge and try to measure run out on the tires as well as on the rims. Do you think it will be helpful? Thanks a lot for patience and will to help me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted September 16, 2013 Report Share Posted September 16, 2013 Play in the drive train would be a concern! With the car jacked up can you feel any tight spots when gently rotating the wheel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojcistv Posted September 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2013 I will try it when I get home and I then post the results here. I'd no regret weren't mechanic I was at said with drive train and suspension everything was ok and there were any plays. I will suggest him to try what I did in order to find any play if any would be there or I will have to change the mechanic. Once again thanks for the will to help me. Appreciate that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted September 16, 2013 Report Share Posted September 16, 2013 Bearing tightness is something to check as is drive shaft float? This is how much movement does the shaft have in between the inner/ outer joints? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojcistv Posted September 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 As much as I saw two days ago there are no play in bearing or so but today I am going to one of my friend mechanic and we will repeat that with jacked car and he will be under to see if there is any play in joints. I managed to find dial gauge so I will use it today to measure run-out on the wheels and rims and compare it with the limited ones. Down there on Hunter machine they measured it but limitations shown there were as I can remember about 12 kilos on static balance no matter what model car is. I don't know if the Mondeo has different limitations for that or it is common no matter the type or brand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 What does the 12 kilos of static balance do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojcistv Posted September 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 Well I don't know what does it do but it was shown on the screen something like this . On the left shown wheel near the red line was written 12 kg as some source of limit or what. After the man did the balancing the wheels everything was green as it is shown on pic above. As I figured out 12 kg is limited weight for radial run out movement... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 Well i suppose the real issue is the fact the problems still there...... Have that drive train end float checked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojcistv Posted September 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 I will in the evening so I am coming back with the report. Honestly I would like it is balance issue than anything else, after all it is cheaper solution but after seeing what is Hunter capable to do I think my costs will be much much bigger with solving this. Thanks again Tony! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 Keep us informed please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojcistv Posted September 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 I forgot to ask you Tony about some factory specs about radial run out limits, do you know how much is allowed on certain car? I read on some tires specialists sites that is 1,27 mm total radial run out for the wheel off the car or 1,54 mm on the car? I am going to measure both radial and lateral front wheels run out so I am interested are there any specific limits for Ford vehicles in that matter? Sure I will keep you informed. I don't want any one get through this hell like I do.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojcistv Posted September 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 So I've got back from my friend and here comes the results: We did dial gauge measuring and radial run out on front wheels are about 0,50 mm more or less and I don't think it could cause vibrations since it seems in the factory limitations (i saw somewhere 1,54 mm is upper limit for radial run out). Car jacked first on the left side and wheels run and spin on 120 km/ or more, than the same scenario on the right. Friend was under the car in canal and says there are vibrations on the steering wheel inner tie rod or tie rod on the left side on about 120 km/h or so while on the right there are no any vibrations no matter the speed. There is some play in the drive shaft on the left between inner and outer CV joint and he is putting his money drive shaft is causing the vibrations more precisely outer CV joint. I will try to find some used drive shaft on scrap yard and will see if it will change the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 Just be sure the used shaft is in good condition obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojcistv Posted September 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 Yes I will certainly check it on the site. But it is usual here to buy some part from scrap yard and if it isn't good you can get it back and take your money or get something else. I phoned to few auto parts store for new one and it is madly expensive over 300 KM (more than 150 Euros)!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 Check the shaft float and rotational resistance in the CV joints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojcistv Posted September 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 Yes I intent to do like that although I really don't know how that tinny play in the drive shaft could produce those vibrations....We had hard time to identify that is culprit for steering wheel shake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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