mac Posted February 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Just a bit of additional info on this. Usually travel on my own. Had someone else in the passenger seat at the weekend and the car pulled even harder to the left forcing me to turn the steering wheel even more to the right to compensate. Asked them to sit behind me instead and then the pull was as it normally is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 With her next to you did the car corner differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac Posted February 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 With her next to you did the car corner differently. it was the same i would say although can be hard to tell as the car isnt handling well. in my estiamtion cornering was the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 I'm wondering if the ARB is bent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac Posted February 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 I'm wondering if the ARB is bent. would what i mentioned not suggest that the shock or spring on the front left is possibly shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Possibly a spring but i thought these had been replaced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac Posted February 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Possibly a spring but i thought these had been replaced. no springs were ever replaced but were checked and deemed to be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 If the trim height is the same on both fronts then i would agree they are fine....... Still thinking on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac Posted February 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 If the trim height is the same on both fronts then i would agree they are fine....... Still thinking on this one. yep trim height is good. measured as per previous graphic. if the sterring rack (where its connected to the subframe) is sitting slightly off perfect horizontal, will this cause strange handling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Yes it would, but it needs to significantly off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac Posted February 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 ok was just wondering about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac Posted February 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 ok was just wondering about that. dare i ask??? any further thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 ok was just wondering about that. dare i ask??? any further thoughts? Has the ARB and rack been checked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac Posted February 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 ok was just wondering about that. dare i ask??? any further thoughts? Has the ARB and rack been checked. yes apparently so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac Posted February 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 there was a small bit of movement up and down in the rack but nothing to cause a problem apparently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac Posted February 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 Any more ideas on best way to bring this forward from here tony? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 Running out of options...... Have the front/ rear wheels and tyres been moved yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac Posted February 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 Running out of options...... Have the front/ rear wheels and tyres been moved yet. yeah moved tyres to ever possible combination, didnt change a thing. Whatever it is is causing the inner 1.5 inches of the front tyres to wear quicker than the rest of the tyre but the allignemnt said that the toe was in slightly, not out and the camber was not excessively negative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 Are these stock wheels with the correct off-set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac Posted February 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 Are these stock wheels with the correct off-set. yes they are the wheels it rolled out of the factory with tony, 52.5mm offset. it aint the wheels im sure of that. definately something related to the subframe as when it was moved, that was the only time the car felt remotely decent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 If the sub-frame was off-line then the lower ball joints would be off-set to the suspension stroke and change the camber gain.... But the printouts you display deny this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac Posted February 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 If the sub-frame was off-line then the lower ball joints would be off-set to the suspension stroke and change the camber gain.... But the printouts you display deny this. yeah thats the thing that has me very confused as to what to do next. you mentioned that the printout would suggest the subframe postion was fine. worked through a process of elimination of wheels, tyres, all suspension componenets, all steering components (not necessarily in that order) so thats why i was thinking about checking the chassis but you convinced me that it couldnt be the chassis or the wheels wouldnt line up correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 Don't forget i've not seen or driven this car but the report offers a 3d image... 1: Camber= vertical, and that's fine 2: Castor = fore and aft, alongside set-back and wheel-base and that's fine 3: Toe = longitudinal and that's fine From the evidence i'm reluctant to suggest moving the sub-frame, but as said in previous posts when this was done before the car drove better. From that experience the only way forward is to move the sub-frame again..... However illogical it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac Posted February 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 Don't forget i've not seen or driven this car but the report offers a 3d image... 1: Camber= vertical, and that's fine 2: Castor = fore and aft, alongside set-back and wheel-base and that's fine 3: Toe = longitudinal and that's fine From the evidence i'm reluctant to suggest moving the sub-frame, but as said in previous posts when this was done before the car drove better. From that experience the only way forward is to move the sub-frame again..... However illogical it seems. yeah suppose thats all that can be done, seems mad but may be the only way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac Posted March 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 Update Had car checked this morning by crowd who moved subframe for me last august. Wasnt for allignment (as i know the problem isnt there), but for suspension and steering components. Outcome 1. Front Left Wishbone rearmost bushing worn 2. Rear Left Trailing arm has some mo(vement (changed this about 16 months ago) 3. Tyre pressures low (have always had some problems with tyre pressures due to alloys corroding but the values hold up pretty well, i use an electronic gauge). Car drove the exact same when tyre pressures increased 4. Front right tyre inner edge worn badly for inside 1.5 inches. (asked for cause - probably incorrect tyre pressure) General comments Car pulls very quickly to left on acceleration Constant correction of steering required over uneven surfaces Drove over some bumpy ground and no noise from suspension - checking for drop links noise What do you make of this tony? I do remember a point when tyres were brand new and the suspension components mentioned above were deemed good and the same conditions were present. therefore reluctant to change all the items and still be in the same situation. cheers for any help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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