Jump to content

Dyno question


Tony
 Share

Recommended Posts

As most know i'm "underprivileged" in the engine department but seeing the dyno sheet from the Supra has my little brain wondering this.....

 

If the dyno is on a rolling road would the software need to know the wheel size?.... Reason i ask is on the printout it says everything including tyre pressures but nothing about the wheel size :(

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The reason for the tyre pressures being recorded is that it affects how wheel the torque gets transferred to the rollers. I can see no valid reason for wheel size forming part of the calculation. Bit of a minefield, rolling roads and comparisons. And don't get started on so-called flywheel HP... :-)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just thinking about it and no i cant test the theory, I have 14" brembo's on the rear and no chance any smaller wheels will fit.

Just looked at the pics again and yeah dont think you'd get smaller rims on there :( thay are some big stoppers you got there

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The Bigger/heavier the wheel the more power is needed to turn them and it does effect the numbers imo, next time im on the dyno i may test the theory.

 

http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/0106tur_...ower/index.html

 

I confess to not knowing how a dyno works, i assume on a rolling road the rollers measure by their revolutions? but inertia is in there somewhere as well.....

 

To my little brain any form of measuring that uses rotational inertia would need a transient scale as reference, wheel weight would impact the inertia but it's the measuring that leaves me in the dark.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

In throry there must be a diffewrance in final readings? When i had my 17s on the astra it wasnt as punchie as with the stock 15s on as the waight difference in the rim would make it react slower so wouldnt the torque atleast suffer a reduced reading

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The reason for the tyre pressures being recorded is that it affects how wheel the torque gets transferred to the rollers. I can see no valid reason for wheel size forming part of the calculation. Bit of a minefield, rolling roads and comparisons. And don't get started on so-called flywheel HP... :-)

 

So actual "revolutions" of the rollers is beside the point?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I don't see how the new Dynos that attach to the drive flange direct can take into account rolling losses of the tyres.

 

NickT

 

they dont and are not meant to

the tyres can cause an inconsistant reading, pressures and temperatures all make a difference from one run to the next, by using the hub mounted dyno you can get a far more accurate reading

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The reason for the tyre pressures being recorded is that it affects how wheel the torque gets transferred to the rollers. I can see no valid reason for wheel size forming part of the calculation. Bit of a minefield, rolling roads and comparisons. And don't get started on so-called flywheel HP... :-)

 

So actual "revolutions" of the rollers is beside the point?

 

correct

as far as my basic knowledge, the dyno applies a force to the wheel/hub and measures the torque applied to maintain the rpm, which is then measured

the horsepower is calculated from the torque measurement

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The reason for the tyre pressures being recorded is that it affects how wheel the torque gets transferred to the rollers. I can see no valid reason for wheel size forming part of the calculation. Bit of a minefield, rolling roads and comparisons. And don't get started on so-called flywheel HP... :-)

 

So actual "revolutions" of the rollers is beside the point?

 

correct

as far as my basic knowledge, the dyno applies a force to the wheel/hub and measures the torque applied to maintain the rpm, which is then measured

the horsepower is calculated from the torque measurement

 

. . . . and of course the r.p.m.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The reason for the tyre pressures being recorded is that it affects how wheel the torque gets transferred to the rollers. I can see no valid reason for wheel size forming part of the calculation. Bit of a minefield, rolling roads and comparisons. And don't get started on so-called flywheel HP... :-)

 

So actual "revolutions" of the rollers is beside the point?

 

correct

as far as my basic knowledge, the dyno applies a force to the wheel/hub and measures the torque applied to maintain the rpm, which is then measured

the horsepower is calculated from the torque measurement

 

. . . . and of course the r.p.m.

 

So the rim size would matter.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The reason for the tyre pressures being recorded is that it affects how wheel the torque gets transferred to the rollers. I can see no valid reason for wheel size forming part of the calculation. Bit of a minefield, rolling roads and comparisons. And don't get started on so-called flywheel HP... :-)

 

So actual "revolutions" of the rollers is beside the point?

 

correct

as far as my basic knowledge, the dyno applies a force to the wheel/hub and measures the torque applied to maintain the rpm, which is then measured

the horsepower is calculated from the torque measurement

 

. . . . and of course the r.p.m.

 

So the rim size would matter.

 

Not if you measure torque at the axle. The beauty of using torque is that it makes the measurement independent of radius. Torque is a force times the distance at which it is applied. 10lbs on the end of a two foot spanner gives twice the torque of the same force on the end of a one foot spanner.

The work done is the force times the distance moved by the force. The distance moved is two pi times the radius. So, if you double the radius, the distance moved doubles, but the force required to produce the torque is halved, so you can ignore the radius. The work is measure in foot-pounds (forcexdistance) and horsepower is the rate of doing work i.e. how many foot-pounds in a minute, so torque times rpm is horsepower.

 

All this is delightfully old fashioned and I am more used to power being measured in watts, which is nice because James Watt is credited with defining horsepower, based upon what weight of coal a horse could pull up a mine shaft.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share

×
×
  • Create New...