sophos9 Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 Hi - I so wish I was closer to you guys, followed many of your posts on the Vauxhall forums My 2001 Vectra B has 61k - bought it recently. Steering wheel was off centre and vibrations from around 60mph so I got a full geometry setup and all wheels balanced on inner/outer rim. I did see the machine produce 0-0 when balancing I now have a vibrating steering wheel at 78-82mph. Checked over suspension etc, all has no play so I'm guessing as its so high in mph that its still slight balancing You guys are clearly the experts in what seems like a completely murky world - are they any hints/tips that you could help me with on resolving this? Thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam_r Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 this may be a stab in the dark, but check both drive shafts. they could have possible damage causing this 'vibration' some cars have a drive shaft ballancer which is a rubber 'wheel' that sits on the drive shaft to stop this happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 Hello Problem with the Vectra wheel is the centre hole they use to mount the wheel on the balancer is cosmetically central, they need to be mounted like this Anywhere that can balance centerless wheels ( French cars ) can correctly balance your wheels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophos9 Posted April 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 Thanks for the quick reply. Yes I think I've seen these, a black rubber wheel bolted on each drive shaft. Had not thought of that, will get manufacture spec and reference against it Great suggestion - any more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophos9 Posted April 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 HelloProblem with the Vectra wheel is the centre hole they use to mount the wheel on the balancer is cosmetically central, they need to be mounted like this Hi Tony, Ah man, they balanced them in the centre of the wheel - will explain it. At 80mph with small vibes through the steering, what weight would you expect a wheel to be out by - 5-10g? Thanks my friend, I'll be taking this to Vauxhall main dealer - they have the correct fitment plates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 I had a Vectra and tested the error between centre mounting and stud mounting and it averaged 25gms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophos9 Posted April 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 I had a Vectra and tested the error between centre mounting and stud mounting and it averaged 25gms OUCH! If Vauxhall dont sort it - I may take the 3.5 hour drive to see you guys. Will update tomorrow. Thanks Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophos9 Posted April 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 Just spoke to main dealer - they also balance them from the centre so will avoid them... Time to look up the french garages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophos9 Posted April 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 Tony, one more question. I've booked into a Pug dealer who has confirmed they use stud mount - would you insist on balancing on the inner and outer rim? Thanks mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickT Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 I had a Vectra and tested the error between centre mounting and stud mounting and it averaged 25gms As much as that !! I wonder why the cones are still used then........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 I had a Vectra and tested the error between centre mounting and stud mounting and it averaged 25gms As much as that !! I wonder why the cones are still used then........ Because the Huweka kit costs 2k. Most garages would rather the occasional complaint than spend the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 Tony, one more question. I've booked into a Pug dealer who has confirmed they use stud mount - would you insist on balancing on the inner and outer rim? Thanks mate Inner unless the wheels offset is zero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophos9 Posted April 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 Inner unless the wheels offset is zero. Thanks for the reply - stupid question of the day coming right up The alloys are the standard alloys - how do I know if they are zero offset please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 Standard wheels don't have a zero offset so you are safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophos9 Posted April 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 Standard wheels don't have a zero offset so you are safe. haha - great mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 Point to note..... No question in wim is deemed as "stupid" and no one is belittled however soft the question..... ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophos9 Posted April 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 Point to note..... No question in wim is deemed as "stupid" and no one is belittled however soft the question..... ok Awesome mate, better to ask Will update on what happens next Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 Please do, and maybe the Vectra forum because i read this is an ongoing issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophos9 Posted April 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 Please do, and maybe the Vectra forum because i read this is an ongoing issue. Amazing result, thanks for your help. Took the car to the 'old boys' garage and explained the situation, they were very reluctant to do it as they were concerned that their equipment was old fashioned etc. Gave them the go ahead regardless They setup stud mount and balanced the fronts - I took it up to the dual carriageway and drove a significant speed, NO VIBRATION!!!! Old fashioned balancer vs. centre mount all singing all dancing dynamic balancer = old fashioned wins Priceless, will not touch another garage unless they use stud mount and will spread the word Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 Result...... Hate to say it but those French knew what they were doing with the centerless wheel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophos9 Posted April 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 Yea for sure - great result, can enjoy the car again now Thanks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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