Norton Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Hi Tony Can you explain the difference in the spring rates for the BC-BR-RS coilovers for the MX5 NC and which application each set would be most suitable for. There appear to be 2 options available- 6/4 and 7/5 and I'm considering getting coilovers for my 2.0ltr 6 speed sport with LSD and OEM strut brace. I notice that Meisters only offer 7/5 for the NC and reading various forums seems that there are plenty of people out there running all sorts of spring rates on BC's. (some i've read at combinations of 12, 10 and 8 ??) The car is mainly weekend use for fast B road's with limited track use and some occasional long distance touring so I'm looking for a set that will fit the bill for the above - nothing too soft as I wont be driving it so often that I'm not going to be able to live with it and I want it to be able to cope adequately when needed with the occasional track day and be pin sharp for the majority of fast B road driving it's intended for. So would greatly appreciate your input on the differences in the BC rates and what you would recommend would be most suitable - Either BC, Misters or other suggestions suitable for the above - also what recommended ride height for front and rear would be optimum for your GEO set up for the above driving / handling after fitting said coilovers. Cheers - Norton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 Hi ya..... I really feel coilover rates are a personal thing so you need interaction with the developers so you get a bespoke combination of dampening and bump resistance. Meister R is the best product with added support. Meister is technically a BC Racing coilover ( so a quality product ) but with an added personal well educated inclusion on how to combine both aspects within your requirements. Historically we steer toward the lower coil rate which converts the 350lb front, 250lb rear, both are about 25% above the OEM coil rate but with controllable dampening..... Call Meister and talk to Jerrick and mention Tony at wheels in motion, he knows me well and will go the extra mile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norton Posted July 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 Hi ya..... I really feel coilover rates are a personal thing so you need interaction with the developers so you get a bespoke combination of dampening and bump resistance. Meister R is the best product with added support. Meister is technically a BC Racing coilover ( so a quality product ) but with an added personal well educated inclusion on how to combine both aspects within your requirements. Historically we steer toward the lower coil rate which converts the 350lb front, 250lb rear, both are about 25% above the OEM coil rate but with controllable dampening..... Call Meister and talk to Jerrick and mention Tony at wheels in motion, he knows me well and will go the extra mile. Hi tony thanks for your response and having spoken to Joe it seems you only offer the BC's on a supply and fit package basis ? Are you saying you would actually recommend I look at Meisters rather than the BC ones and if so as far as I can see Meister only offer a rate of 7/5 while BC offer 6/4 and 7/5. Appreciate it if you could clarify please on what you would recommend and also what you are able to offer on a supply and fit basis including full GEO Many thanks - norton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 You seem unsure of the rates you want so i'm on the back foot really..... The BCR RS coilovers. Seem to be the most popular with the best customer feedback but the issue is it's not like you can buy and then think i don't like them and go for the next rate up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norton Posted July 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Hi Tony - correct I am unsure - never having had coilovers on a car before and never having owned an MX5 before either so im looking for some knowledgable advise and opinion on what would be best for my intended usage. I know this is a 'make your choice and live with it' situation - hence I appreciate and respect your input to help me make a considered 'choice' So I guess a direct question would be what would you recommend between the Meisters / BC's and spring rates considering the intended use I have for the car and drawing from the experience you've had of fitting various set up's for similar handling / usage requirements and feedback you will no doubt have had from cutomers over the years. Dont worry, I won't hold any advise you offer up against you - I'm big enough and ugly enough to make up my own mind - i'm just canvassing your vastly more experienced opinion on the subject to help me make that choice - in the same way I have from speaking to BC Racing and also Meister over the last few days - however of course each of their views is a little biased...... Cheers - Norton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 BCR/ RS is fire and forget in my opinion as an out of the box modification. The last thing i want or you want is to be unhappy so we need to rely on a proven product that can be manipulated to suit, and they are. I understand your position and this call is hardly a cheap one in respect to your wallet so caution is wise but the BCR/ RS are out there based on fun fast-road sunny days and bang the dampening up track days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norton Posted July 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Hi Tony, thanks for that I have have no doubt about the BC's in terms of quality and proven capability - i guess it's all down to the spring rate i should go for - I'm confused as to why when speaking to BC they say that 7/5 is too harsh for mainly fast road & occasional track use and recommend the 6/4 yet Meister only offer 7/5 for the same usage and I haven't found any real negative reports / reviews anywhere that they are too hard for mainly fast road use. So is there any fundimental difference between them (manufacture / construction / materials) that would make a 7/5 on a BC 'harder/firmer' than the equivalent 7/5 spring rate on a Meister (assuming dampner settings on each were relativly equal) thus making a 7/5 Meister more similar to a 6/5 BC? Cheers - Norton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Obviously a coil is a memory metal hence the load/ bump resistance and rebound coil resistance but add into this the coil pre-load then there's another consideration. The BCR-RS has the best results and adjustability so a combination of all the RS factors puts then in first place in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sagitar Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Obviously a coil is a memory metal hence the load/ bump resistance and rebound coil resistance but add into this the coil pre-load then there's another consideration. The BCR-RS has the best results and adjustability so a combination of all the RS factors puts then in first place in my opinion. I think this is a misnomer Tony. The term memory metal is usually reserved for the shape memory alloys (SMAs), the two main ones being alloys of copper-aluminium-nickel, and nickel-titanium. In general the name is taken to mean that the metal can recover its original shape after it has been strained beyond its normal elastic limit. A properly designed spring will not exceed its elastic limit in normal operation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 Agreed, maybe my terminology is somewhat off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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