Tony Posted September 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 i was only throwing ideas about Nothing wrong with that..... keep throwing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger440 Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 Right, i have had a bath and a doodle on my note pad (all the best ideas happen here) and by my reckoning, if the rack is located behind the axle line, moving the rack rearwards would achive your objective. As a consequence, moving the TRE forward should have the same effect. I should probably patent my idea!!, but my initial thoughts are a bracket thats utilises the existing tapered hole to secure the bracket to the steering arm, call it what you will. Attached to this bracket would be a bolt/threaded bar with lock nuts, which would clamp a rose joint screwed to the end of the track rod. The rose joint could then be adjusted fore aft and locked in the correct position. Not a great description i know, a drawing would be preferable. Couple of potential flaws however! It relies on the taper to hold solid under turning forces. A taper (morse) should be capable of transmitting large rotational forces, but i don't know if its size is large enough in this application. I have also assumed that the rose joint is capable of enough angle to allow this to work. Could be mounted the other way, but this then would involve a clamping arrangemet to prevent movement after adjustment. I dreamed up this idea because it would not be vehicle specific. A couple of variations in size could cover a multitude of vehicles. Are you able to work out in mm how far you would need to move the joint on a typical application to achive the objective? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted September 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 Right, i have had a bath and a doodle on my note pad (all the best ideas happen here) and by my reckoning, if the rack is located behind the axle line, moving the rack rearwards would achive your objective. As a consequence, moving the TRE forward should have the same effect. I should probably patent my idea!!, but my initial thoughts are a bracket thats utilises the existing tapered hole to secure the bracket to the steering arm, call it what you will. Attached to this bracket would be a bolt/threaded bar with lock nuts, which would clamp a rose joint screwed to the end of the track rod. The rose joint could then be adjusted fore aft and locked in the correct position. Not a great description i know, a drawing would be preferable. Couple of potential flaws however! It relies on the taper to hold solid under turning forces. A taper (morse) should be capable of transmitting large rotational forces, but i don't know if its size is large enough in this application. I have also assumed that the rose joint is capable of enough angle to allow this to work. Could be mounted the other way, but this then would involve a clamping arrangemet to prevent movement after adjustment. I dreamed up this idea because it would not be vehicle specific. A couple of variations in size could cover a multitude of vehicles. Are you able to work out in mm how far you would need to move the joint on a typical application to achive the objective? I can image your idea, pen and paper needs some commitment obviously, if you can develop some sketches that would complete the image and help in this priminilary stage. Practicality regarding stress testing, dynamics and feasibility would be tested out of house, tdiplc with their additional Prodrive success i am sure could support your idea.... If proven who knows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanF Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 http://users.bigpond.net.au/lachlan/tech/rosejoint.html okay so its a modification to the control arms but I guess its similar in principle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted September 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 http://users.bigpond.net.au/lachlan/tech/rosejoint.html okay so its a modification to the control arms but I guess its similar in principle. Interesting article but the engineering of the steering arc will need much thought.... In truth if this venture was easy then it would already exist.. I have my reasons for wanting this evolution, Roder440 has some design ideas and i am sure tdiplc would assist in the testing area... With team work i hope that by next season we would have constructed this vital 'must have' component for the expanding realm of Drifting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger440 Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 I'l sort something out for you Tony. Might be a few days, its a bit manic at the moment - im surrounded by broken engines!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted September 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 I'l sort something out for you Tony. Might be a few days, its a bit manic at the moment - im surrounded by broken engines!! Broken is good assuming your task is to mend This TOOT evolution is vital to Drift as i am sure you are aware. I personally do not have the ability to explore the development further other than recognizing the need. With cooperation maybe we could develop the first wim product? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanF Posted September 27, 2006 Report Share Posted September 27, 2006 this lot www.performancetrends.com have a piece of software that allows the simulation and visualization of suspension systems. There software has time limited demo modes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted September 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 this lot www.performancetrends.com have a piece of software that allows the simulation and visualization of suspension systems. There software has time limited demo modes. I have seen this software and it is very impressive for the chassis engineer/ developer but not entirely suitable for the mainstream domestic market.... In truth it's more complicated than Geometry itself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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