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Yeah it would seem that way. I guess in the end everyone makes mistakes im just glad they stood up fixed the issue and spent time tweaking it and didn't charge me a 2nd time. I am sure other garages would have said "You never told us" then try to charge me a 2nd time.

Well all i can say is Thanks for all the great information to get this sorted, its quite worrying really. So many people must get proper alignments done but it could still be as bad if not worse and they will never know. We all take what others tell us for granted its funny, but thankfully for me i was pushed in your direction and now i have a perfect (near as to) setup. Now my for Nurburg in September roll on. Thanks again mate, i better sign up for Gold membership soon just to show my gratitude

My only concern was the fact the front left wheel is high neg camber and i now have a thrust angle, or are those negligible as the others all seem bang on? lol the joys of having too much information when its actually has nothing to do with my car

Really i thought bmw has a few settings on the hunter machine because i know there is an option for lower suspension setup, which would ofc allow as you said more neg camber? I could be wrong as i don't own a machine but i do remember seeing another report with BMW lowered suspension. Is yours lowered?...... If yes then why the initial target positions, if no then why is your car "now" being compared with a lowered version? Yeah my car is lowered the guys that did it first didn't notice nor ask about it first time. But when i went back after speaking to you i told them my car is running on aftermarket lowering springs which are just a tad lower then BMW sport suspension (as you explained this allows more camber). So it all clicked into place for the guy and he then found the other settings for lowered BMW's. So in theory the original setting he was trying to achieve are crap as they are for normal suspension which i clearly don't run. Do those ramblings make sense? :-)

Really i thought bmw has a few settings on the hunter machine because i know there is an option for lower suspension setup, which would ofc allow as you said more neg camber? I could be wrong as i don't own a machine but i do remember seeing another report with BMW lowered suspension.

Here is the newest setup now

Lol well dont worry even if i get my car sorted i might have to get my mates car checked with you as his Focus ST 56' plate is going through tyres quicker then he wants. I can sort the ST.... Is it stuffing the insides? Yeah the inside wears out on the fronts mainly

Lol well dont worry even if i get my car sorted i might have to get my mates car checked with you as his Focus ST 56' plate is going through tyres quicker then he wants.

I think that makes sense mate, when you say the front camber has to be -55 you mean -0.55 Also that information about the 1 degree to 10 i don't really understand that fully. Yep -0.55'... The OEM front-rear camber disparity is 1 degree 10', this is the difference between the two positions. One of the reasons for this is to balance the dynamic oversteer properties. If you can imagine the front wheels under braking, on a bend and yaw then if the front cambers are to deep the rear will orbit.... It's wise to respect the OEM f/r disparities unless the owner intends other forms of handling from the car. Great that all makes sense. If i get stuck with the garage i will give you a call and maybe you could have a word with the garage :-) Yeh please do..... In fact it might be a wise move in view of the condition they left the car in..... Don't worry i'm not interested in belittling any garage i'm only interested in you so please call and i will politely assist as best i can Great i will do that. Thanks for that mate, if they refuse to do it or mess up again i will have to come visit you all the way from Ipswich and just get it sorted proper lol. I take it you will be on the normal office number

I think that makes sense mate, when you say the front camber has to be -55 you mean -0.55 Also that information about the 1 degree to 10 i don't really understand that fully. Yep -0.55'... The OEM front-rear camber disparity is 1 degree 10', this is the difference between the two positions. One of the reasons for this is to balance the dynamic oversteer properties. If you can imagine the front wheels under braking, on a bend and yaw then if the front cambers are to deep the rear will orbit.... It's wise to respect the OEM f/r disparities unless the owner intends other forms of handling from the car. Great that all makes sense. If i get stuck with the garage i will give you a call and maybe you could have a word with the garage :-)

I think that makes sense mate, when you say the front camber has to be -55 you mean -0.55 Also that information about the 1 degree to 10 i don't really understand that fully.

I think that makes sense mate, when you say the front camber has to be -55 you mean -0.55 Also that information about the 1 degree to 10 i don't really understand that fully.

I found this page quite good http://www.ozebiz.com.au/racetech/theory/align.html

Right guess i better get it all sorted, problem is im only off on the Sunday and everyone is closed, I will sort it out next week during the weekend. I will see if i can get them to make the adjustments for free as they have left the settings unacceptable if not i will just find another garage to make the adjustments. When you say they need to be balanced do you mean like bring the left front camber more into line with what the right front camber around the -0.47. Also adjust the right rear camber closer to the rear left between -1.45 to -1.15? Sorry to be a pain Tony

So i should go back and get them to adjust the front cambers to within a closer tolerance to one another and see if they can get the rear camber sorted more. What else might cause them to be unable to adjust the rear camber?

Thanks for that i will have a check tomorrow if i remember, well i will have a chat with the garage if i get time and see what they can do. But to be fair i never had any excess wear on the inside of the front tires i just replaced my conti 3's after about 1 yrs and tread wear is even and still has a good amount left but i wanted new rubber for Nurburg. Thats only about 110 miles away from me maybe if these people cant do the job i will have to venture down prob still be cheaper lol Thanks for the help Tony

The car had an almost empty fuel tank, weight was added to the car. They said they had issues with the drivers rear due to it been really seized up and i'm not sure they could fully free it The tank should be full.... although adding weight in the boot would suffice. My only concern is the front cambers, these are adjustable on your car so why leave them like that? well i will go back and get them sorted out what should they be really then? Are the rears okay and such how they are currently set? Also they charge £25+ vat per adjustment does that seem about right or excesses? It was £49.95 just for the check then i was charged £25 x2 for camber adjustments x2 front toe adjustment @ £15 and 1 rear toe adjust @ £25 for a grand total of £182.06 inc VAT Assuming the cars not lowered then they should have set the front cambers to the OEM positions.... If by chance one of the front adjusters ran out of adjustment then the opposite camber should be adjusted to match or some diagnostics to determine why. As things stand now the front tyres will wear rapidly on the insides and you have a right-turn push due to the rear camber position (not good in the wet) The price is consistent with the badge for most places.. they see "BMW" and seemingly this justifies more money?...... By comparison our fee is £85+ vat albeit a Fiesta or BMW..... They both have Geometry don't they so why is a BMW more expensive? Well the car is lowered on Eibach pro springs so not OEM anymore. Lol yeah tell me about it moment you mention BMW all prices jump up its so funny. It that £85+ Vat for check and all adjustments? where are you based im down in Ipswich. Well the fronts wont wear any worse then when i started out with those other settings. Is that correct? I love a challenge in the rain :-)

The car had an almost empty fuel tank, weight was added to the car. They said they had issues with the drivers rear due to it been really seized up and i'm not sure they could fully free it The tank should be full.... although adding weight in the boot would suffice. My only concern is the front cambers, these are adjustable on your car so why leave them like that? well i will go back and get them sorted out what should they be really then? Are the rears okay and such how they are currently set? Also they charge £25+ vat per adjustment does that seem about right or excesses? It was £49.95 just for the check then i was charged £25 x2 for camber adjustments x2 front toe adjustment @ £15 and 1 rear toe adjust @ £25 for a grand total of £182.06 inc VAT

The car had an almost empty fuel tank, weight was added to the car. They said they had issues with the drivers rear due to it been really seized up and i'm not sure they could fully free it

Hi all, I was pointed to this forum by Anees from Evotechnik. Basically i had my car aligned on a hunters machine this morning and as all the figures really mean nothing to me, I just wanted to see if it all seems okay or if i need to get anything else changed. So if you could cast you eyes upon it and let me know. Thanks Before After Just to let you know im running 18" wheel 8J front 9J rear and running on Eibach pro springs so only got a small drop other then that everything is normal and OEM.