Asad_EP5DR Posted December 25, 2011 Report Share Posted December 25, 2011 Hey all (i hope this is in the right section?) Merry christmas to you all i imagine no one will be online lol hope your all having a good time!!! where do i start! its getting to be abit of a joke now, i have meister coilovers/whiteline antiflift kit (provides more castor)/poly drop links and poly front wishbone bushes...the car sits on 185/55/14 ku31s and is a 1997 toyota starlet EP91 its been at two different garages now (kwik fit and a john bean equipped garage) and they both cant seem to give me the alignment settings i want -1 camber 0 toe and max positive castor (+2) i was only present at the john bean equipped garage and what he did was set the car up as per usual he didnt check the tyre pressures nor was the car running (something im told is a must) he then loosened the top mount for the driverside and took it all the way in (towards the engine) the computer read -0.30 i was puzzled to say the least he said he cant get anymore out of it....there was doubt that the topmounts were fitted the wrong way round i double checked this with the supplier of the coilovers and they are infact correct he put into the computer toyota>starlet>PAS and followed the scales on the screen to no avail i can only assume kwik fit did the same as the car came back with the topmounts fully adjusted inwards.....luckily i havent had to pay anything as the work wasnt carried out both shops addmited they dont do custom settings and one fat f*** even said "we dont do s**t like this we usually do mercs" my old man is friends with them otherwise i would have knocked his teeth out the cheeky cnut be naming and shaming later.....extremely poor customer service!!! currently in this position driverside Passenger side My question is do they have to go in to some sort of custom setting part of the softwear (it said standard wheel alignment at the bottom of the screen) so the scaling is different or do as they have done and punch in the cars details and set accordingly? he didnt try any other settings/click on anything else he was adamant his machine was correct and that my car was s**t.... OR is there a hardwear fault? nothing is obviously bent the car drove fine when the mods werent installed (slightly pulling probably due to toe out) no vibrations or anything at speed nor was there uneven tyre wear there is however uneven tyre wear now on the inside due to the camber settings.....or is something like the antilift kit causing problems? (i remember pulling the wishbone outwards then tightning the two bolts down as reccomended) the only other thing thats been suggested is loosen the bottom two bolts for the suspension and push the hub all the way in to get more negative camber as the top bolt hole on the coilovers are elongated (something which should be done on all MacPherson Strut installation) im a member of uk starlet club and tgtt its been posted on there, but with reduced site traffic due to christmas a solution hasnt been found although members have tried to help any help apreciated Asad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIH Posted December 26, 2011 Report Share Posted December 26, 2011 you'll need your toe re-setting afterward tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted December 26, 2011 Report Share Posted December 26, 2011 alternative method to gain camber and castor there is also adjustment on the lower bolts and camber bolts can be used Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asad_EP5DR Posted December 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2011 Im well and truely gob smacked.....the countless car owners and mechanics who`ve seen the pictures (some of which have even got theres set up having to move the hex bolt over) non of which spotted it even the owner of meister didnt spot it..... Thankyou very much mate, i dont drink but ill make sure to give you some drink money if we ever cross paths now to get to a wim alignment center.....i live in manchester and attend uni at sunderland can anyone reccomend one? i was thinking of the drury lane one in oldham but ive read it has since been taken off the wim list of alignment centers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIH Posted December 26, 2011 Report Share Posted December 26, 2011 Hey barry not seen you on here for a little while! Not sure about Drury Lane (Tony will know) but there's also Nigel Langs in Bolton. I'm from Manchester too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted December 26, 2011 Report Share Posted December 26, 2011 Hey barry not seen you on here for a little while! Cant get rid of me that easy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asad_EP5DR Posted December 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2011 ahh right, have you been to Nigel Langs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 Lang's are top doller nuff said..... Ok so you have made the front adjustable, but that's not the do all and say all? If we evolve a bespoke geometry set-up we need to know where the "non-adjustable" positions are, namely the rear. In addition we need to know your intentions for the car?.... Is this a looker, or competition, is tyre wear an issue? You have in place the ability to manipulate the front camber, this angle is the most aggressive available geometrically so it's the tool we will use to calibrate the chassis but as said we need to know where the rear is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asad_EP5DR Posted December 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 Langs it is then the rear is as standard atm, slight play in the rear passenger side wheel bearing but thats on the to do list and the only thing avaliable for the starlet is a panhard rod which is something im on the look out for second hand.....a rear adjustable antiroll bar is waiting to be fitted also Id class the car as fast road, i do anywhere from 350-500miles a week mostly motorway/round abouts/A roads etc etc and like throwing it about having said that tyre wear is only a issue if i cant get decent tyres for it on a regular basis so its not something i mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 The rear suspension pick up points are near vertical/ slightly perpendicular so more or less unaffected by lowering in regard to geometric gains. Langs will use the rear as a pilot for the front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asad_EP5DR Posted December 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 The rear tyres are slightly offset as the car is lowered so a panhard rod would help even them out if they are going to use the rear to set up the front How do my settings sound? For a fast road setup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIH Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 Do you have the model code for your generation starlet ? I can check what the OEM would have as a rough guide but 1-ve sounds about right given the coilovers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asad_EP5DR Posted December 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 for the EP91 stock settings are +0.5 toe and thats it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 Starlet we set for competition ( Sprint series ) liked -30' front toe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIH Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 Okay, for stock EP91 Glanza: 15"-ve front camber, "30-ve on the rear, 1 1/4 castor and a little toe-in front and rear. Degree negative front camber sounds about right then, depending what the rear has ofcourse. Personally I'd go zero front toe, unless you're putting it on track, and as much castor as possibile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asad_EP5DR Posted December 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 Cheers guys, ill get the above done and see how she goes just need to save for a panhard rod now -30 toe wow, tyre wears never really a big issue on track aslong as it yeilds a good result in terms of winning/position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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