Tony Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 I wonder what the law would say if they saw this..... I assume the method is to allow raw fuel into the exhaust then ignite it Could this mod be considered a 'dangerous weapon' I was tempted to get the boss to look down the tail pipe then test his cooking time to the gallon.... But with the cost of fuel nowadays it would have been a wast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adie Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 I've seen this sort of mod at meets like Trax etc.. It can look cool but I think its very chavvy It does look cool when the flames shoot out on the track though or from a highly tuned car.. Not just from a Saxo / Corsa wanting to be something they're not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discount tyres dan Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 a friend of mine had a granada herse with a flame kit, it didnt work propperly but the flames were huge, i remember someone lighting a fag from it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted August 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 a friend of mine had a granada herse with a flame kit, it didnt work propperly but the flames were huge, i remember someone lighting a fag from it! 'Fag' What was his nickname after 'Harry no hair' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger440 Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 I don't think it falls foul of any specific law, but plod might take a dim view if someone was injured! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted August 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 I don't think it falls foul of any specific law, but plod might take a dim view if someone was injured! Well yes but could this be considered a potential 'Dangerous weapon' in the eyes if intent. If you have a stick of rock from Blackpool in the car this is considered a potential weapon..... So i wonder how a detonator up the tailpipe would come across Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorps Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Deffo against the law,no MOT stn will pass a car that has this fitted. Though just for clarification........Scarface!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star a Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 no law against fitting a spark plug into your exhaust, although if a flame is coming out of the exhaust like a flame thrower it will be an offence under section 40a of the RTA "Using vehicle in dangerous condition ". the same as whip aerials, sharp protrusions, loose bits etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted August 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 no law against fitting a spark plug into your exhaust, although if a flame is coming out of the exhaust like a flame thrower it will be an offence under section 40a of the RTA "Using vehicle in dangerous condition ". the same as whip aerials, sharp protrusions, loose bits etc etc. Just for debate.. 'Whip aerials' are certified modifications sold over the counter... whereas this example is a manufactured possibility not certified.... so i reiterate is it possible if realised by the police that this modification could be considered a 'dangerous concealed weapon' .... If taken to extreme obviously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star a Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 anything can be incorrectly or inappropriately fitted, if an officer thinks a whip aerial could cause danger of injury to a person, then it's reported as an offence, a whip aerial fitted to a roof of a lorry is probably fine, an aerial fitted to a wing of a car, for example on an angled wing allowing it overhang the edge of vehicle and possibly come into contact with other road users or pedestrians would be dangerous. how can an exhaust flamer be classed as a weapon, ( a weapon when not designed to be used in destroying, defeating, or injuring an enemy (gun, knife, sword etc) is only a weapon when used with intent. for example, a watermelon is not a weapon, but if it is deliberately used to injure, attack or maim, then it becomes a weapon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted August 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 anything can be incorrectly or inappropriately fitted, if an officer thinks a whip aerial could cause danger of injury to a person, then it's reported as an offence, a whip aerial fitted to a roof of a lorry is probably fine, an aerial fitted to a wing of a car, for example on an angled wing allowing it overhang the edge of vehicle and possibly come into contact with other road users or pedestrians would be dangerous. how can an exhaust flamer be classed as a weapon, ( a weapon when not designed to be used in destroying, defeating, or injuring an enemy (gun, knife, sword etc) is only a weapon when used with intent. for example, a watermelon is not a weapon, but if it is deliberately used to injure, attack or maim, then it becomes a weapon. A flick knife is a spoon until it's opened (extreme example) Purely as a curiosity, potentially a flamer could be considered as dangerous.... Agreed? if realised then the Police could perceive this as a potential weapon..Again agreed? Then i ask again it is possible that the 'flamer' could be considered as a concealed weapon then subject to intent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jap Devil Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 This mod doesn't inject fuel into the exhaust, it's simply a spark plug, that when energised, causes any unburned fuel to ignite. It doesn't have the same effect as a FI engine spitting flames! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted August 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 This mod doesn't inject fuel into the exhaust, it's simply a spark plug, that when energised, causes any unburned fuel to ignite. It doesn't have the same effect as a FI engine spitting flames! If this only ignites unburnt fuel then it must be a bit of a fart then? I have seen images of 10ft flames thrusting from the exhaust, are these preloaded with Methanol or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jap Devil Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 This mod doesn't inject fuel into the exhaust, it's simply a spark plug, that when energised, causes any unburned fuel to ignite. It doesn't have the same effect as a FI engine spitting flames! If this only ignites unburnt fuel then it must be a bit of a fart then? I have seen images of 10ft flames thrusting from the exhaust, are these preloaded with Methanol or something. The effect isn't all that good with a flamer kit.........like comparing a bunsen burner with a welding torch. It's not difficult getting a turbocharged car to spit flames - fit an unrestrictive downpipe, remove the cat and fit a big cat-back. Set the fuelling to run rich, get the motor nice and hot and you have a mobile flamethrower! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 a weapon.... Erm excusse me ******* but you really have done it now.....just wait there till i get my car keys, oh, while im gone, can you possition yourself about 2 foot from the exhaust.......oh, you really have **** me off ok here goes, you asked for it dont answer back now you ***** ahha that will teach you........ hmmm, not quite a stealthy quickley drawn weapon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted August 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 a weapon.... Erm excusse me ******* but you really have done it now.....just wait there till i get my car keys, oh, while im gone, can you possition yourself about 2 foot from the exhaust.......oh, you really have **** me off ok here goes, you asked for it dont answer back now you ***** ahha that will teach you........ hmmm, not quite a stealthy quickley drawn weapon Reason for the post was ....Could the Police consider the flamer a concealed weapon..... Not if it works or not What's with all the **** ***** ***** ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 swearing tony, didnt want to post naughty words...it was a joke. as has been stated its not illegal to have it fitted, but would be frowned upon to be used on the road Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted August 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 swearing tony, didnt want to post naughty words...it was a joke. as has been stated its not illegal to have it fitted, but would be frowned upon to be used on the road Relief...... i thought i was going to get a turret in the post .... The image you posted was the point i was trying to portray. The flamer could be abused, so i wondered if plod could act on this with 'intent' I know it may read stupid but any modified car seems to be a magnet for the Police to pull it in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 Japdevil is spot on, these things look all wrong. Very blue strange flame. Here's a good old fashioned turbo flaming (got to love the fact the stock mr2 ecu panics and goes really rich at high boost) http://www.track-mr2.co.uk/static/gallery/...n/skinflame.mpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Yau Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 Imagin having to explain that in an insurance claim... "The car in front flame-throwered the front of my car, which is now a bit overdone..." Hmmm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H. Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 Imagin having to explain that in an insurance claim... "The car in front flame-throwered the front of my car, which is now a bit overdone..." Hmmm... Might put them off tailgating though . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juzzyp Posted October 15, 2006 Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 I stil remember going to a "static" Reading meet and some scooby having this kit chucking huge flames, plod pulled him but only asked him to turn it off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted October 15, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 I stil remember going to a "static" Reading meet and some scooby having this kit chucking huge flames, plod pulled him but only asked him to turn it off. I think the 'turn it off' command was quite generous since the flamer is illegal... Any pictures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Apparently under WOT gear changes mine flames. A lot. Every trackday at least 2 people come up to me and say "wow, your car spits out 4 foot flames when you change gears down the straights" I wonder how i could turn that off for Mr Plod :S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted October 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 jon what does your bumper sticker say?...... If i recall correctly it says 'If you can read this call the burns unit' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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