Rich Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 I only found out about this yesterday and I have been debating whether to post about it. But I have decided I will as I don't want Tony's good name to be tarnished. It seems the owners of Blackboots sold the company to Protyre at the end of January. At the moment they are including the name Blackboots but I suspect this will change in time. They are covering everything from tyres to geometry. So if you go to the centre or book your car in for a geometry please be aware that you will no longer be dealing with WIM and Tony's excellent reputation. I don't know if any of the staff have been kept but I would hate for anyone to go there expecting the WIM treatment and be disappointed. So it's looking like it is the end of an era sadly. As for the forum, it will be staying for the meantime but I can't say for how long 😔 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMARTLY Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 What a shame as WIM such a good name on motor forums nationwide 😞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam_r Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 What a shame this is! Going from a centre of excellence.... to protyre is awful. At least it didn't go to quickfit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 This is a real shame. I have known Tony since his days at STS in Watford and he always took so much pride in his work - he was the one that originally calculated the correct geometry settings for my Lexus IS300 back in 2003 when I took my car to him with worn out tyres after only 4,000 miles. # One thing that amazed me about Tony was how good he was with the geometry numbers and how he could calculate things that most people would need a spreadsheet to do. From then on Tony had always done the geometry on my lexus (which I still own) and he did it again for me a couple of years back (seemingly for the last time). Always had a lot of time for Tony and was happy to take my car to WIM because I would get treated well and we would also have a laugh. Here's a photo of where it all started, with the Lexus Owners Club at STS in Watford back in 2005. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rich Posted February 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 I was in kwikfit the other day and was watching the guy doing a geometry on what looked like a hunter machine, it was kwikfit branded. He was just following the prompts on the screen and making everything green, which is what the majority of these places do. It's going to be difficult finding somewhere that is as good as WIM and Tony. I miss the old days of car meets at WIM, they were always a good turnout. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 They were really good - they did one for supercars a few years back, ferraris and lambos - that was a good day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted February 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 22 minutes ago, eddie said: They were really good - they did one for supercars a few years back, ferraris and lambos - that was a good day! It was, I loved it! I went to quite a few meets. The MX5 one before the centre had even opened was rammed with cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adi Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 Hi, everyone. I’m new to the forum. Very sad news about Tony, I never met him but he called me over a year ago after I emailed him. He replied to my email straight away and called me on my phone, I could hear the enthusiasm in his voice and he was so willing to help me. I had purchased a Lexus is200 and Tony’s name was popping up all over the forums regarding the Lexus is200 geometry, his skills were highly praised. I called up Black boots last week and asked if Tony would be doing my Geo if I book the Lexus in and they said no, but they never mentioned he was sick or he had passed away. I only realised there must be an issue when I clicked on the W.i.m website today and it gave a warning that the business has changed hands. I was going to book the car in tomorrow but I think I will now give it a miss. I will try to locate the legendary geo numbers that Tony calculated for the is200and get those implemented on my car. If anyone has the correct geometry numbers for the Lexus is200 or if you can recommend anyone that Tony trained to complete the job on the Lexus is200 please let me know. Kind regards Adi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted March 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 Hi Adi, welcome to the forum. That was Tony all over, he would always help if he could. He didn't have a selfish bone in his body. I'm glad you experienced that even if it was over the phone and not in person. He had worked hard for years building up his reputation as a geometry god and as you saw he is well known on many car forums. I don't know the magic IS200 numbers but I am sure they're somewhere or someone has them. Have you tried LOC? Tony didn't keep them a secret as he wanted everyone who owned the car to make sure they got the best handling and tyre wear they could, whether that be via WIM or another garage using his data. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted March 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 This thread might help you 🙂 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adi Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 Hi Rich, many many thanks for your help, I appreciate all your efforts. Hopefully I can find an honest garage to implement these numbers for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted March 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 No problem, align my car is a good place to start. https://alignmycar.co.uk/ AMD Tuning aren't far from you. I've no idea what they're like for geometry but they've competed in the BTCC so should know their stuff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve-O Posted March 24, 2022 Report Share Posted March 24, 2022 Rich is joe still there do you know? He was very much a protege of Tony and he is superb as you might expect. Wherever Joe is now i would follow and take my skyline to him hes a good bloke! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adi Posted March 24, 2022 Report Share Posted March 24, 2022 On 18/03/2022 at 20:48, Rich said: No problem, align my car is a good place to start. https://alignmycar.co.uk/ AMD Tuning aren't far from you. I've no idea what they're like for geometry but they've competed in the BTCC so should know their stuff! I ended up going to the following garage in south east London, the owner Mark has owned the place for 25 years. He followed the geo numbers you provided and all seems well. I appreciate everyone’s help. https://www.wheelpoweralignment.co.uk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted March 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2022 16 hours ago, Steve-O said: Rich is joe still there do you know? He was very much a protege of Tony and he is superb as you might expect. Wherever Joe is now i would follow and take my skyline to him hes a good bloke! Yes Joe is still doing the geo's there under Protyre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve-O Posted March 25, 2022 Report Share Posted March 25, 2022 I would go there providing he is working on my car still in which case - otherwise i would look elsewhere i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigeB Posted March 26, 2022 Report Share Posted March 26, 2022 Hi All, So sad to hear about Tony. I’ve been wondering about whether the quality of workmanship would be the same, but I have booked a date in April (when Joe is working) to have him look at my C43. Apparently they’re using a new computer so my previous settings (done by Tony) have been erased! Am I being rash? I was going back for 3 reasons - Tony was fantastic, they had my car ‘on file’, and I don’t know any other centres that have a similarly good reputation. Is there anywhere else in the Reading area that compares to WIM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted March 27, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2022 Tony is WIM, no one comes close to him IMO. Joe is a top guy and I think the only one left that was trained by Tony. I have nothing against him and unfortunately he's probably caught in the middle. It's the treatment Tony received from the company that I have a problem with. The WIM signage had already been changed before the company swapped hands, an attempt I feel to push Tony out. Then when it was sold Tony wasn't moved over to Protyre, so he effectively got the sack. Yet Protyre are still trading under the WIM branding (no new signage has gone up) and Tony's reputation. Even reviews for Protyre say that they've been using them for years, it's the best place to go etc, even though they've only owned it for 2 months! This just doesn't sit right with me and was appualing treatment towards Tony in the final weeks of his life. He was hoping WIM would continue once he had gone but others decided to wipe out 15 years of his hard work 😠 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffers Posted March 28, 2022 Report Share Posted March 28, 2022 Well done for posting this Rich. I couldn't agree more. I have limited knowledge of it but with the things he has put in writing on here and his notes I'm hoping something is followed up. Awful treatment and they should be ashamed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted April 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2022 Another update... Protyre have decided not to carry on using the WIM name and it's branding. They have now taken over the Black boots website, although there are a couple of mentions of WIM this is a mistake as the content was copied over from the other website! So the centre will be known as Blackboots - Team Protyre. When the new signage goes up it will be in the Protyre branding. Joe, who is the last link to Tony and was trained by him is running the geometry side of things and has been given free reign. He has told me he will be running things how Tony wanted them done for as long as he can and is available to give any advice. I have his personal email address if anyone should want it but I won't post it on here so he doesn't get spammed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 20, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2023 Joe has now left Pro Tyre, he was the last member of staff from the WIM days. See the other thread about where he's now working. When I was there the other week Pro Tyre have changed none of the WIM or BB signs, they haven't even put their own name on the building! Therefore, still trading off Tony's good reputation 18 months later 😞 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted September 22, 2023 Report Share Posted September 22, 2023 On 20/09/2023 at 20:10, Rich said: Joe has now left Pro Tyre, he was the last member of staff from the WIM days. See the other thread about where he's now working. When I was there the other week Pro Tyre have changed none of the WIM or BB signs, they haven't even put their own name on the building! Therefore, still trading off Tony's good reputation 18 months later 😞 Thanks for letting us know Rich. From what I hear that tyre centre has about one tenth of the footfall of when Tony/Jason etc ran it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted February 28 Author Report Share Posted February 28 I had to go to Screwfix after work so drove along to the garage to see if they had replaced any of the signage. Guess what, they haven't! WIM signs are still up. As WIM was run under Blackboots and they purchased it from them I guess they aren't doing anything illegal like trading under false pretences. Although there is nothing to say it's actually Protyre there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted February 29 Report Share Posted February 29 15 hours ago, Rich said: I had to go to Screwfix after work so drove along to the garage to see if they had replaced any of the signage. Guess what, they haven't! WIM signs are still up. As WIM was run under Blackboots and they purchased it from them I guess they aren't doing anything illegal like trading under false pretences. Although there is nothing to say it's actually Protyre there. They should just take the signs down seeing as nobody connected to the old business is there any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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