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  1. Hi Tony. Going for plan B and sticking with the original 17 in rims. I decided on the Avon ZV7 in 225/55/17 flavour. Very good reviews on comfort and quiet ride. Can you quote me for four new ones and I will have the F & R alignment checked while I am there. Cheers. Tim.
  2. Hi Tony. I'm back ! I got rid of the Focus, never did cure the road noise from the tyres. I now have a 2003 BMW E39. 525i. SE. Lovely car, nice ride too ! I will be coming to see you soon for four new tyres and a full alignment check. Can you quote me on four of the quietest tyres you can recommend in 225 / 55 / 16 or 225 / 60 / 16 flavour ? Cheers. Tim.
  3. Hi Tony. Thanks for fitting me in so quickly, great service and nice to meet you. There is an improvement with the road noise and the car is more stable on the motorway, however, there is still unaceptable noise from the tyres, now I am confident the car is 100% I can move forward with my case against the tyre manufacturer. Will be back with a BMW E39 soon for full alignment check. Cheers. Tim.
  4. Hi Tony. I will be traveling from Cardiff to Twickenham tomorrow for the Rugby and coming via your shop. I just spoke to Keith and booked my Focus in for tomorrow Friday 9th for alignment. Will be there around 3pm. Can you be around to look at my tyres and chat about this noise problem ? Cheers. Tim Brown.
  5. Tony, I hear what you say but I need an educated answer. I will be coming to see you for geometry check and four new tyres, what are you going to put on for me to tackle this noise problem ? I am in no rush, if you need time to do research thats fine. I'm curious about the Kumho comment above about tyres designed so that "different sounds actually cancel each other out" Very skeptical about tyre manufacturers claims after my disappointing experience with Yokohama Advans. Fell free to e-mail me if you are more comfortable making tyre type recommendations in private.
  6. Thanks Tony. With all your sound knowledge and experience in the business I was hoping you might have had customer feedback over the years about road noise and a certain brand or type has stood out generally as a favorite choice for a quiet tyre ? Found this on the Kumho web site. Certainly backs up what you say about harmonics ! Maybe I should contact them with my story and see if they can recommend a Kumho tyre solution ? "Tread Patterns: Quiet Tyres" "Kumho Tyre develop tread designs that benefit different vehicles. When a customer comes in with a certain car, we can match their needs with a tread. If you had a tyre tread that had exactly the same shape for each tread block it would be like a tractor going down the road, it would make a terrible noise. For people who want a quiet tyre we have a tread designs that ensure it is quiet on the road and offers a smoother drive. It’s about the harmonics - How they space the tread blocks and the size of these blocks determines the amount of sound produced while driving. If you look at the shoulder of the tyre you will see that each of the blocks is a different size and they all make a different sound as they hit the road. The quiter tyres are designed so that those different sounds actually cancel each other out".
  7. Tony, note my comments in post #7 above. I would like to hear what you think about fitting smaller / narrower tyres on my trusty Focus ? Have you come across the Yokohama Advan Decibel before and what do you make of them ? Have you had any success with them to cure road noise on other cars ? I will be coming to see you. Definitely for a full geometry check and possibly four new tyres. In the meantime, as and when you get time, would you kindly give some serious thought on what specific tyre you would recommend for me for a quiet ride ? The standard size for my car is 205/55/16. My new Yoko's are 205/60/16. I'm thinking 195/70/16 might be the way to go but I will yield to your expertise.
  8. Interesting article here, a lot of American input but still relevant. http://elevatingsound.com/the-price-of-quiet-driving/
  9. Tony, thanks for the quick reply's and input, nice to know that, finally, I am dealing with someone who clearly knows his stuff. What you say about lateral scrub makes perfect sense to me. I will book an appointment with you soon to get my front and rear alignment / geometry checked. If the noise is still there after and I am 100% confident that there is nothing wrong with the car, I will start making a fuss about it with Yokohama UK and the Advertising Standards Authority. Their advertising clearly claims the Advan Decibel is a "Silent" tyre, if my car is OK then clearly the tyre is not what they claim. Perhaps their advertising should state .... "The power of silence - but only on 1% of UK roads" !! Back in my old days in the trade, I dont remember road noise being an issue, but then we all thought that a 70 profile tyre was very low ! To my way of thinking, if you keep reducing the amount of rubber between the rim and the road, cushioning is destroyed and excessive noise becomes a real problem. I wish car manufacturers would get their heads around the fact that we are not all boy racers and dont care too much about trendy looks and race track type handling. Save that for the "Sport" version of the model range and give us real peace and quiet with a comfortable ride with the other models in the range keeping everybody happy. Not all of us can afford a Merc, BMW or Lexus for a nice ride. Manufacturers shoving 50 / 55 profile tyres on an ordinary family run around like my Focus is just plain ridiculous. If a full geometry check doesn't fix the problem, I am tempted to let Yokohama have their tyres back for a refund and go from 16" rims to 15" and shove 195/70/15 tyres on. Narrower tyre = less rubber on the road, higher sidewall = more cushioning = less noise, what do you think ? I am not concerned with grip, wear or cost, I just want a quiet tyre ..... rant over ! Will call you for an appointment soon. Thanks again. Buster.
  10. Hi Toni, thanks for the swift reply. I note what you say about "heel & toe" I am familiar with this. I had the car up on stands last week to change the oil. I had a good close look at the tyres and they look perfect, no unusual wear is apparent. Points to consider; 1/ When I drove away after having the four new Yoko's fitted, the noise was still there, no improvement at all on brand new tyres. 2/ I have experimented with tyre pressure's, I am running at 30 PSI as recommended by Ford. I tried a few pounds plus and minus using a good digital gauge and foot pump. There was no improvement during a quick test after each adjustment. 3/ Your comment about toe angle on the rear of FWD cars is interesting, it was noted that the tread on the old Conti P6 on the OSR was what I call "cupping" quite clear to see and feel. This would suggest that my rear alignment is out ? 4/ I was sure victory would be mine when I fitted these, note the claims for silence by Yokohama here. http://www.y-yokohama.com/global/product/tire/tires/passenger/advan_db/ I think I need to come and see you and get all the alignments checked. I will bring the old tyres for you to see. If we cant cure the problem I will flog it and get a Lexus ! Chatting with a mate yesterday that used to be a service manager at a local Ford dealership, he told me that the first Kuga's had a road noise problem and Ford fixed it by fitting Bridgestones, are you aware of this ? Cheers and happy new year. Buster.
  11. Seasons greetings to the forum. I have a 2007 Mk2 Focus 2.0L Ghia, petrol / manual. Love the car but the road noise in the cabin is horrendous. It originally had Falkens on the front and Conti P6 on the rear, the noise was bad and tyres pretty much shot. The car went in for new wheel bearings all round, new front lower control arm bushes, new front shocks and tracking re-set. After much research on line I fitted four new Yokohama Advan Decibel V551 tyres which the manufacturers claim is a "Silent" tyre. After all this hassle and cost, the road noise is just as bad, if not worse ! I know its the tyres because they do run silent over fresh smooth tarmac which is very rare in the UK ! I have been in the motor trade all my life (20 years on the tools & 22 in management) and I know my way around a motor car but I am struggling to find a solution to cure the racket from the tyres. The car just passed its MOT so I am confident there is nothing wrong with the car. Tony, can you recommend a tyre to cure this problem ? I would be happy to pay you a visit to have them fitted and have the geometry and alignment done while I am there. Yokohama UK are offering me a refund if I can find an alternative and return their Advans to them. I read your article in Autocar magazine so I hope you can help ! I would like to hear from any forum members with similar experiences. Cheers. Buster.
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