Tony
Feb 27 2009, 09:31 PM
We have been working to "enhance" the handling properties for the MK3 for some time now, initially with the chassis calibration, then our prestressed lowering coils for those who want the designed CG and roll centres.
In order to advance on this we will soon have our own adjustable drop-links available for the as "sold and lowered" MK3's.
The benefit of these will mainly be felt by the "as sold" owner who wants to reduce the body roll during cornering. The links can be used to add preload to the existing anti-roll bars and are easily fitted.
Prices and images to follow next week.
Special offer for two lucky members
Although we have our own testing i would like two impartial views on our product.
I need one stock NC and one lowared NC to approve/ disaprove our product?
The deal
You can have the links at absolute cost, we install free and we calibrate the chassis free, (geometry not required other than research)
Your commitment
The links allow unlimited preload to the anti-roll bar front and rear and although the finished product will display the stages we may need to tune this for you until you are totally satisfied, it would be wise you live near to wim.
You are requested to inform the community on the product, good or bad.
Our commitment
If for whatever reason you are not happy with the handling and this cannot be resolved, your original drop-links will be reinstalled at our expense and you will be refunded for the adjustable links.
Next step
I hope members will see value in this offer, if members are interested admin will gather names and the two lucky members will be chosen independently of wim.
Summery
For members this is a win, win offer.... any takers?
E55EX_RACER
Feb 27 2009, 09:33 PM
Great offer Tony
TarkMalbot
Feb 27 2009, 09:49 PM
I would be very interesed but as I have modifed anti roll bars to start off with and live 300 miles away I am not really a good choice! lol.
I would be interested in a set of the adjustable drop links though so I could stiffen up the IL Motorsports a little more.
I look forward to the prices.
Tony
Feb 27 2009, 10:05 PM
QUOTE (TarkMalbot @ Feb 27 2009, 09:49 PM)

I would be very interesed but as I have modifed anti roll bars to start off with and live 300 miles away I am not really a good choice! lol.
I would be interested in a set of the adjustable drop links though so I could stiffen up the IL Motorsports a little more.
I look forward to the prices.
Mr postman may have something for you anytime soon
One area i have covered is these links are over-developed consisting of one version that covers motorsport down... Obviously i don't want to expose torsional values at this announcement but i think you will agree the ability to tune the roll and roll couple is an extraordinary step that many NC owners with stock suspension will welcome.... assuming i can keep the price attractive.
TarkMalbot
Feb 28 2009, 01:35 AM
You sending me a SAE so I can return your coffee machine token? lol
Tony
Feb 28 2009, 04:46 PM
QUOTE (TarkMalbot @ Feb 28 2009, 01:35 AM)

You sending me a SAE so I can return your coffee machine token? lol
You can have the token, call it a keepsake from your wim visit
TarkMalbot
Feb 28 2009, 06:34 PM
Thanks!
Most of the Japanese import Eunos' have a 100 yen coin hidden in the car somewhere for good luck.
Could this be the UK equivalent, a WIM tea machine token!
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TarkMalbot
Mar 6 2009, 06:35 AM
You might be onto something there. I will have to loose it somewhere in the car.
Tony
Mar 9 2009, 10:55 PM
QUOTE (TarkMalbot @ Mar 6 2009, 06:35 AM)

You might be onto something there. I will have to loose it somewhere in the car.
We'll listen for the rattle then
E55EX_RACER
Mar 9 2009, 11:44 PM
So are the test links ready yet?
TarkMalbot
Mar 10 2009, 10:04 AM
And do you have a suggested difference in link lengths as a base setting?
Tony
Mar 10 2009, 09:08 PM
QUOTE (E55EX_RACER @ Mar 9 2009, 11:44 PM)

So are the test links ready yet?
Three sets should arrive tomorrow....
Tony
Mar 10 2009, 09:09 PM
QUOTE (TarkMalbot @ Mar 10 2009, 10:04 AM)

And do you have a suggested difference in link lengths as a base setting?
Yes, we have a complete guide for adjusting the preload.... All will become clear.
E55EX_RACER
Mar 10 2009, 10:04 PM
QUOTE (Tony @ Mar 10 2009, 09:08 PM)

QUOTE (E55EX_RACER @ Mar 9 2009, 11:44 PM)

So are the test links ready yet?
Three sets should arrive tomorrow....

Good stuff mate....not many people have put their name forward though or is it happening on the owners club forum?
Tony
Mar 10 2009, 10:17 PM
QUOTE (E55EX_RACER @ Mar 10 2009, 10:04 PM)

QUOTE (Tony @ Mar 10 2009, 09:08 PM)

QUOTE (E55EX_RACER @ Mar 9 2009, 11:44 PM)

So are the test links ready yet?
Three sets should arrive tomorrow....

Good stuff mate....not many people have put their name forward though or is it happening on the owners club forum?
Cautious interest everywhere

it's a new area for most who mod the car.
E55EX_RACER
Mar 10 2009, 10:22 PM
QUOTE (Tony @ Mar 10 2009, 10:17 PM)

QUOTE (E55EX_RACER @ Mar 10 2009, 10:04 PM)

QUOTE (Tony @ Mar 10 2009, 09:08 PM)

QUOTE (E55EX_RACER @ Mar 9 2009, 11:44 PM)

So are the test links ready yet?
Three sets should arrive tomorrow....

Good stuff mate....not many people have put their name forward though or is it happening on the owners club forum?
Cautious interest everywhere

it's a new area for most who mod the car.
What!

I'd be first in the queue to try something different
Tony
Mar 10 2009, 10:25 PM
QUOTE (E55EX_RACER @ Mar 10 2009, 10:22 PM)

QUOTE (Tony @ Mar 10 2009, 10:17 PM)

QUOTE (E55EX_RACER @ Mar 10 2009, 10:04 PM)

QUOTE (Tony @ Mar 10 2009, 09:08 PM)

QUOTE (E55EX_RACER @ Mar 9 2009, 11:44 PM)

So are the test links ready yet?
Three sets should arrive tomorrow....

Good stuff mate....not many people have put their name forward though or is it happening on the owners club forum?
Cautious interest everywhere

it's a new area for most who mod the car.
What!

I'd be first in the queue to try something different

The Mondy links are easy by comparison, these MX5 links are hard to tune due to the adjustable chassis range.
E55EX_RACER
Mar 12 2009, 08:26 PM
They look great in the flesh mate, quality bit of kit
kgh
Mar 18 2009, 02:21 PM
I'd be up for this except I'm still waiting on the P5 suspension mod. Does that make a difference?
I am intrigued by this statement 'The benefit of these will mainly be felt by the "as sold" owner who wants to reduce the body roll during cornering.The links can be used to add preload to the existing anti-roll bars'
If you preload for left hand corners do you have to dash out with a spanner before right hand corners?
Tony
Mar 18 2009, 07:51 PM
QUOTE (kgh @ Mar 18 2009, 02:21 PM)

I'd be up for this except I'm still waiting on the P5 suspension mod. Does that make a difference?
I am intrigued by this statement 'The benefit of these will mainly be felt by the "as sold" owner who wants to reduce the body roll during cornering.The links can be used to add preload to the existing anti-roll bars'
If you preload for left hand corners do you have to dash out with a spanner before right hand corners?

Point taken

but hay at least i'm trying to be innovative

.. I have a highly modded NC ready to trial a set so we can go from there.
kgh
Mar 20 2009, 01:32 PM
QUOTE (Tony @ Mar 18 2009, 07:51 PM)

QUOTE (kgh @ Mar 18 2009, 02:21 PM)

I'd be up for this except I'm still waiting on the P5 suspension mod. Does that make a difference?
I am intrigued by this statement 'The benefit of these will mainly be felt by the "as sold" owner who wants to reduce the body roll during cornering.The links can be used to add preload to the existing anti-roll bars'
If you preload for left hand corners do you have to dash out with a spanner before right hand corners?

Point taken

but hay at least i'm trying to be innovative

.. I have a highly modded NC ready to trial a set so we can go from there.
Don't get me wrong I'm not being negative.
Intuitively it seems best if the arb arms are horizontal when the vehicle is at rest but I can find no geometric/trigonometric reason why this should be so.
Any play in the joints will obviously reduce the arb's effectiveness so the rose jointed droplink should improve things if there is any wear in the existing droplinks.
hms
Mar 20 2009, 03:06 PM
My experience of the rose jointed drop links is that as there is no plastic bushing to compress before the ARB's start to work, turn in is improved.
Noticable difference straight away, although may be something to do with 11 year old drop links, one of which was bent!
h
Tony
Mar 21 2009, 09:32 PM
My initial thoughts on these links was flawed, on reflection and further research i do have something to offer the community subject to independent feedback, so we will see
TarkMalbot
Mar 24 2009, 03:09 PM
I am still trying to work out the need for them to be adjustable as lifting the bar up or down does nothing to add or reduce torsion to the ARB as it just rotates the bar in the bushings. Unless you adjust one side and not the other but why would you want to do this?
CIH
Mar 24 2009, 05:05 PM
The length of the drop link changes the ARBs infulence. IIRC longer links = bigger ARB infulence and vice versa.
Tony
Mar 24 2009, 08:19 PM
QUOTE (TarkMalbot @ Mar 24 2009, 03:09 PM)

I am still trying to work out the need for them to be adjustable as lifting the bar up or down does nothing to add or reduce torsion to the ARB as it just rotates the bar in the bushings. Unless you adjust one side and not the other but why would you want to do this?
Totally true... the project is flawed other then positioning the connecting pin horizontally, removing compliance or corner pre-load for specific tracks.
Oh well, time to move on.
TarkMalbot
Mar 27 2009, 04:12 PM
Well I have fitted the adjustable drop links on my car. I tried best I could to line everything up so that the pin is horizontal but as the original links are staggered and the new ones straight they ended up looking like this on the rear:


Hopefully someone can explain the use of adjusting the length but the next photo shows that adjusting the length would only rotate the bar in the bushing:

I have tried to make it so that bar is parallel to the mounting face across the back of the car. I haven't tested the car in anger yet so I can not say if there is any noticeable difference in how the anti roll bar reacts.
Tony
Mar 27 2009, 08:21 PM
The pin is perpendicular but not as bad as i thought, the position is perfectly fine. Steve gave me permission to display the pre-load calculator but as we all now know you cannot pre-load both sides so what's the point?
It will be good to see if you notice the difference now there's no compression from the old links knuckle joints.
E55EX_RACER
Mar 27 2009, 08:38 PM
So to pre-load them one side has to be longer/shorter than the other? So good for track use if all the bends go the same way but not road use?
They should still be stronger than the OEM links and being rosejoints last alot longer as I said the other day
Tony
Mar 27 2009, 08:41 PM
QUOTE (E55EX_RACER @ Mar 27 2009, 08:38 PM)

So to pre-load them one side has to be longer/shorter than the other? So good for track use if all the bends go the same way but not road use?
They should still be stronger than the OEM links and being rosejoints last alot longer as I said the other day

Great for a high percentage track or oval but not domestic, they are strong and belay the normal compression from the oem links.
TarkMalbot
Mar 27 2009, 11:03 PM
I wonder if I can call Steve myself and see if he can try and get it into my head how these are meant to work. lol.
A nice set of boots to keep the rose joints clean would be cool too. I might see what I can do with some electrical gland shrouds from work. lol
Tony
Mar 28 2009, 07:18 PM
QUOTE (TarkMalbot @ Mar 27 2009, 11:03 PM)

I wonder if I can call Steve myself and see if he can try and get it into my head how these are meant to work. lol.
A nice set of boots to keep the rose joints clean would be cool too. I might see what I can do with some electrical gland shrouds from work. lol
Call Steve, he knows we have a set out for testing, plus the boots would be a nice addition.
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